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I didn't want to answer this Kyle, because there is a mistake from the very beginning, but since you are answering me in full and wasting your time, I will do this as well to explain to you

1. The Quran does not mention the Bible. And let's not even start with this, but which version of the Bible exactly? Protestant, Orthodox? Catholic? They all have a different number of canonical books.

2. Since when did you drag the Old Testament and the New Testament into the previous scriptures? Since when did you drag in books whose authors are not even known and drag them into the previous scriptures that the Quran talks about. Isa (peace be upon him) had only one gospel, which of them are you talking about? Also, the Quran talks about the Torah of Moses, and not about the one that you have today. The author of which, as Jerome of Stridnos says, is not Moses, but Ezdra.

Where does the Quran even once talk about the letters of Paul or others like him?

,,The Quran says that the Old and New cannot be distorted,,

In the Quran itself there are many accusations against the Jews and Christians that they distorted their scriptures. For example, 2 surah 75 verse. In the same surah in verse 79 Allah repeats: Woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah," to buy with it a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written! Woe to them for what they earn!

In just one verse there are 4 indications that the distortions were WRITTEN.

So what gospel did Jesus have? Unless there were 4 canonical ones, and about 100 non-canonical ones. What gospel is the Quran talking about?

“He has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what came before. And He sent down the Torah and the Gospel. Before that, as a guidance for mankind. And He sent down the Qur’an.” 3:3–4

This verse simply refutes your claim kayl. They were the true guidance before the Qur’an (and now they are not even there).

,,It is clear enough that the Qur’an states that Allah gave the Torah and the Gospel — the Old and New Testaments.,,

Where does it say new and old testaments? Lol.

“And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.” 6:115,,

This is not even about the scripture, but simply about a promise, you should have read the context.

,,And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words.” 18:27

That's right, the Quran cannot be changed. Why are you adding the Bible to this?

All the following verses are simply about Allah's promise to help his people.

There is no mention of the Bible in the Quran at all, only the Taurat, Injil and Zabur.

3. And your scripture itself does not claim that the Bible is inspired by God. Why?

Paul in his second letter to Timothy says, "All scripture is inspired by God," But he says these words in relation to the Old Testament, because at that time the New Testament did not even exist. The Epistle of James, Jude, and the Revelation of John the Theologian were written after Paul.

“For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9, NIV),,

In that case, you must deify Moses, since God says to him - I will make you a god for Pharaoh, and I will appoint Aaron as a prophet.

Then deify the judges in the books of Psalms: God stands in the divine assembly; he pronounces judgment among the gods (82:1)

And you can also deify Satan, who in the Bible is called a god and the owner of this world (I think in the letter to the Corinthians).

,,ALL the fullness of God lives in Jesus — which means that Jesus is God. There is no part of the fullness of God that is missing from Jesus. All the fullness of God — everything that it means to be God, everything that God is — lives in Jesus in bodily form.,,

In that case, Satan, Moses and the judges are also gods.

And no, Jesus himself and his apostles did not even think that he was God, that came later

“These are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” (John 20:31, ESV),

And where is Jesus called God here? According to the Bible, all the people of Israel are the sons of God, David and the angels are also the sons of God

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Coury  Koutz's avatar

Also, the phrase rendered as “before it/him” in the original Arabic is “ بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ/bayna yadayhi”, which literally means “between his hands”, but idiomatically means “before him” in a spatial sense like “in front of him” or “in his presence”. The English word “before” can also be used this way. Thus 3:3-4 is saying the previous bodies of revelation being confirmed are “before” the Quran spatially or in its presence.

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